Benzino Talks SAVING 50 Cent, Brawl With The LOX/DMX And CRAZY Mark Wahlberg Story!!

[00:00:00] I normally don't introduce people, but I'm going to introduce him because he's a special person in my life that I've known for a long time. It seemed like it's been some decades, maybe about three going on four decades that I've known this man right here. He goes by many names. I met him as Ray Dog. Then he was Benzino, the almighty RSO, part of that group. Zino, he was Zino for a while.

[00:00:29] Right? You was Zino for a while. Zino. Now you just Benzino. Benzino. Hey, Dog. When I met you and you was Dog, I was like, oh, okay. You're going to ride on our bus. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. I definitely was on the RSO tour bus that you got from Marky Mark. Yeah, yeah, we got from that situation. Absolutely. Yup. We got from that situation, man. Because he was going to wear our colors and shit.

[00:00:58] You know, we was young, crazy, man. Wild and shit. Of course, I don't, you know, I look at all my actions when I talk about these things. Or, you know, as you get older, you look back and be like, man, what was I thinking about? But he was going to wear the Bruins on Arsenio Hall. Mm-hmm. And we got, you know, we be like, look, you know, we burying dudes in that, you know, because we was ganged out. Right. And we dig deep in the motherfucker, you know, every block. Every hood, every project had their own covers.

[00:01:29] And y'all was the Boston Bruins. It was the Boston Bruins, the black and gold. So I said, look, you know, Donnie had gotten contact with me. Mm-hmm. His brother, Donnie Wahlberg. So, um, I said, look, you know, he can't do that, man. Tell him to wear Celtics. Tell him to wear, yeah, tell him to wear Red Sox. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I get it if you want to represent Boston, but just he can't wear the Bruins shit because it's going to be too many guys that's going to be upset. Right. He says, hey, man.

[00:01:57] He said, hey, man, I really can't talk to him. You know, he does his own thing. You know. He wore it anyway, right? No, we ended up catching him at the practice facility like two nights earlier before they was flying out and caught a couple of their guys, put them in the hospital. Damn. They rushed Marky through, like, some type of back door, trap door. The practice hall was Mike Mussina's practice room. A lot of major rock bands would go practice there, and it was right by Fenway Park.

[00:02:28] And they were standing in front, and we kind of was, like, up on, like, in some bushes and shit. So we deep, and we got a couple of cars coming through, and we trying to, like, ambush these niggas and shit, man. We caught a couple of their guys that didn't make it, and he ended up wearing Chicago white socks. So that's how I met Dick Scott, his manager, man. And, you know, he gave me some money. He gave me the tour bus, man. And, you know, but actually the relationship with him was all worth it because he was an amazing guy. Black guy, older guy.

[00:02:57] I remember the color. It was like a champagne color. The tour bus was like a champagne color. I remember it. That was our first tour bus. That was our first tour. That was our first tour. I was there. So before we get into that, what the hell is going on with you and yet, yo, man? Oh, man, I mean, you know, these dudes with their stories. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Like, come on, man. Like, you know, you know what the crazy shit be? This is internet shit.

[00:03:25] When you rehash and shit that's like 20 years old, 30 years old. Right, right, right. And you're making it new beef, 30 years old. Like, we all had a big 40s, 50s, and say, I'm 60. Like, why are we talking about these stories other than you know what I'm saying? You're trying to clown me, trying to disrespect me. Because there's no reason for you to be mentioned in those stories. Like, you know, he's seen on Vlad.

[00:03:50] He says he's seen me and he gave me a pass. And like, bro, like, are you kidding me? Like, I got kids right now. Maybe like, not that I would. I'm worse then. But I'm like, you think that I'm just going to not say nothing, you know, about this? And it's sad that I have to because he's rehashing it. It is. It's sad. It's sad that I got to, you know, you got to go back to that foolishness type of character and attitude. But, you know, he just got a big mouth, man.

[00:04:20] You know what I'm saying? And I get it. I get the tough guy image work for them niggas back in the day. But it's like they haven't grown up. Like, they still want to carry that image. And, you know, a lot of their fans are Eminem fans, stans, white fans. They have the luxury of millions and millions of their fans. So, whatever they do, what they don't understand is, you know, because everybody works off the clicks and comments. That's their motivation.

[00:04:49] They don't want to understand that they don't have no problem watching black men kill each other. Did y'all ever run into each other, though? Sitting back hyping it up. Now, in Miami, 30 years ago, you know what I'm saying? And him and his man jumped out. Lodi Mack jumped out. You know what I'm saying? This is when we was going through the shit with Eminem. And, you know, his man, he flashed, you know, he showed he had the blip. I was jeweled up, dog. I had, like, shit, I had all my jewelry on.

[00:05:17] This is, like, 12 in the afternoon on Collins Avenue. Right? On Collins Avenue. So, I didn't have no strap. I didn't think I needed one. The niggas pulled up in a black suburban truck. Him and him get out. He's like, what's up? You want it? You want it? I'm standing there like, what's up? That's the only thing I really said was, what's up? I stood there and Hawk was, my man Hawk was there. And his man, you know, jumping around, screaming. And, you know, he went to grab it. But he really didn't pull it out.

[00:05:47] And then all you heard was, like, a scream. Like, get back in the car. Get back in the car. I'm female. Hawk said he seen 50 in the car. I didn't see 50. But where Hawk was standing, maybe he's seen him. I don't know. He said he rolled the window down or whatever. But, you know, if that was me and my niggas, we would have stripped everything. Everything would have came off. Everything. I had over a million dollars worth of jewelry on. Hmm. Easily. Maybe a million and a half. Right. You know what I'm saying? Easily. Close to two, maybe. Right. You had that Hangman 3 chain on? You had the 3 chain?

[00:06:17] I had Hangman 3. I had the Xenopiece. The Xenopiece was, I paid eight cash for that from Jacob with the Platinum and Cuban, the double. You know what I'm saying? Then I had the Gladiator. You know what I'm saying? The Platinum Gladiator shit that I had. That was like 400,000. I had the Masterpiece Rolex on. Chunky bracelet. Chunky everything. I know if it was me and my niggas, everything would have came off. He said that he asked me if I wanted to pass. I don't remember all that. I just remember.

[00:06:45] I remember I'm looking at the nigga with the gun. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. You know, he was talking. I wasn't even paying attention to him. I'm watching the other nigga. Right. And, you know, and then they bounced. So my thing is, why would you even bring that shit up? Right, right. Unless you're still thinking like, okay, yeah, we G-unit and I can say whatever the fuck I want to say. And he's like, that's not how this shit work out here, man. Motherfuckers just died every day out here for silly shit.

[00:07:14] I don't want to get caught up in no stupid shit. But what else am I supposed to say? Right. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Like, come on, man. And then I'm saying, look, hey, let's go make some money. You know, you know, 50, I guess, you know, I get it. 50, you know, ain't going to box me. But shit, me and you and Yayo can get in the ring. I'm sure we can pull a million dollars off of that fight celebrity boxing. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? Maybe more. Maybe more. Maybe more. Maybe more. Like, why not? I need it. Shit, I'm sure he needs it. Right.

[00:07:43] You know, I just don't, I just, I'm not trying to use, you know, I'm going to end up doing a podcast. I'm sure he's not going to use the platform to be, you know, to fight and have shootouts with niggas at this age. Right, right. I got grandkids now. You know what I'm saying? Public grandkids. Public grandkids. Right. It's crazy, you know, so I don't, you know, I'm not, again, shit like this. I don't like shit like this, bro. But you know me, though. You know me. Yeah, I know you. I know you. You know what I'm saying? I'm not, I'm just not. You know what's funny? Let me say something to you, bro.

[00:08:13] I'm surprised that people will be playing with you a certain way. I know you. Yeah, I know. It be only on here, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I know you. And if niggas know me, niggas know I don't really cosign no nigga unless I know them in the flesh. And I'm like, nah, niggas don't play with that nigga like that in the street or no shit like that. Nah, nah. So even when you, like, when people be playing with you, I'll be certain way. I'm like, yo, do you know that nigga fuck you up? Like, for real, for real. See, I just noticed the internet.

[00:08:42] So now I've come after all these years. I figured it out. I get it. Took you a while. Remember I called you one day? I called you one day. I said, yo, my nigga. Yeah. This is how this internet thing is. This is how you gotta navigate. Because this ain't what you think it is. Like, you can't win. Nah, it took me a while. Yeah, you can't. Yeah, that was like fucking seven years ago. I'm like, you can't win, bro. You can't. When it's a narrative about you, when people think what they think, that's just what it is. You gotta let them. You gotta let them think it. Because this is what I do know, doggy.

[00:09:12] This is the true facts. There is 100% two different worlds. There's the internet and there's outside. Right. And, you know, what a lot of people don't realize, and I know this for a fact, too, is that, you know, let's take Instagram. There's like, what, 300 million people on Instagram? Mm-hmm. Right? That subscribed, I guess, to Instagram, about 300 million. Mm-hmm. If motherfuckers is getting two or three and four or 5,000 comments, they happy. They're like, that's a lot of interaction. Right, right, right.

[00:09:41] But two, 3,000 out of 300 million is a very, very small spec of who is really even checking into that type of bullshit. Right. That's all I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot more interest in shit than always beef, beef, beef, and niggas telling war stories, niggas trying to hype them up and look tough.

[00:10:06] Because, obviously, nowadays, street niggas have definitely crossed over to the internet. Like, the niggas that's getting out of jail, the niggas, the real niggas that have real street history, and everybody knows it, are now coming on to the internet. So, ultimately, niggas who are internet tough and internet stormed out are gonna get called the fuck out. Right. You understand what I'm saying? Because niggas can't vouch for you.

[00:10:34] Yeah, niggas ain't gonna be able to vouch for you with certain shit. Yeah. Yeah. So, you call them out. You want to celebrity boxing, but you called out 50 first, right, if I'm not mistaken? You called out 50 to fight at first, right? I mean, look, this is my thing. Every time this shit comes up where niggas is talking shit, I think the most best way I can capitalize off it, because I'm trying to capitalize. I ain't, you know what I'm saying? I really ain't, like, I don't look at this shit as no real violent beef. I don't look at it.

[00:11:04] So, you look, people want us, people have been seeing us going at each other for years and years. Why not? Let's just go and get in the ring and get some money. Right. Why not? Like, you know, Billy McFarland was gonna give $52.5 million and give me a million to go three rounds. Mm. Damn. Like, I'm going three rounds with anybody for that. Right, right, right, right. For them right now. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right, right.

[00:11:34] So, no, no word back from yeah, yo, nobody. I mean, I don't know, man. You know what I'm saying? The shit is, like I said, I don't even like doing this shit. Like, the shit's whack. Right, right, right. I just wish, I just wish niggas would leave, leave my name out their mouth. But I guess my mouth gets, you know, when you mention my name, you get clicks and comments and algorithm. Right. And your algorithm go up. So, I get it. I get it now. So, I don't take, I don't take it that serious. So, you know, if niggas want to troll, if that's what it is, he's trolling. Now, I understand trolling. Okay. So, Benzino's trolling. Right. Here we go. Yeah.

[00:12:04] Zeno's trolling now. You know what I'm saying? You've done a lot in your career. What's your proudest moment? Career-wise? Yes. You're going to laugh, but, man. I mean, it's a bunch of them, man. And, you know, I just know when I went solo, it was an uncertain time of mine. You know, the main man had broke up, and I'd never been solo before.

[00:12:31] And it was kind of, I don't want to say scared, you know, but I just was a little uncertain. It was uncharted waters for me. I had been in the RSO, and I put together the Wise Guys and Touchables. Always a group-first type of guy. And, you know, it was like I wasn't going to be in no more groups after being with those guys all them years. So I said, look, listen, my last hurrah is going to try the solo thing if it works.

[00:13:01] If it doesn't, who knows what's going to happen to my career. And I just remember me two times and God rest JB. You know, we got in the studio, and we made Bang to this, man. And, you know, we ended up, you know, we produced it ourselves, you know. And, man, fucking Funkmaster, I ended up getting a deal with Motown Records. And Funkmaster Flex dropped bombs on Bang to this.

[00:13:28] Like, I remember that vividly because, you know, all the years ago in New York, and, you know, when you hear Hot 97, that was like the Wizard of Oz. That's like when you first get to Oz. The Holy Grail. It's the Holy Grail. Yep. When you're driving from Boston, you're going into New York, that's like going into Oz. Right. Right? And Flex at the time was the Wizard. You feel me? And listen to him.

[00:13:55] If he dropped bombs on your shit, that was the equivalent of getting, you know, five mics jammed in the source. Right. Being on the cover of the source. You know, it really, you know, you got the whole New York City, the Mecca and the surrounding areas listening. Right. That had never happened in my career. Any other songs I had did never had got Flex to do that. And surely nobody just like paid him or anything. He did it on his own. Man, one day we in New York. I'm at the source, I think, office. I don't know where I was.

[00:14:25] We in New York. Two times called me and said, yo, Flex is dropping bombs on him. I swear to God, I almost, man, I got really emotional. Right. I got emotional because, first of all, I wasn't even supposed to be solo. Because it was always the guys in my group. Always the guys in my group and that were better than me. I always felt. I felt like I didn't have to be the best because I was kind of like the face of the groups, the head of the group. So I would always have nice niggas. You know what I'm saying?

[00:14:53] And I would make sure people know that. I was proud of that. But when it had to go solo, it's like, damn, boy, you got to do this on your own. And when he dropped them bombs on it, man, that shit was a proud moment. So, yeah, it's my career. You know, I had a lot of them. But that was because everything was stacked up against me. And Lord knows I didn't think I'd be on Motown Records. Like, you know, come on. To me, that was big because I grew up listening to Motown Records.

[00:15:22] Was that through Flavor Unit or that was just you? No, that was through Key Dogg. Key Dogg Masterbook gave me a deal. Right. Yeah. Shout out to Key Dogg. Because he had D'Angelo and Erica at that time, too. Man, D'Angelo. Yeah, that's why, you know, yeah, D'Angelo. I got to meet D'Angelo through him, Key Dogg. You know what I'm saying? That's why when he passed, I was like, damn. You know he been to the block, too. Remember my block? You came to the block, too. My crib. Of course. He been there, too. He been there, too. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Biggie, you know everybody been to my crib. Yeah, yeah, come on, man.

[00:15:52] And, you know, shit, I remember, man, we was in Queensbridge in 94 with Ma D. Mm-hmm. Rest in peace to peace, we went there to shoot the Warzone video. So we was inside Queensbridge and shit. Like, you know, I mean, I'd be, listen, man, Throb's Neck projects we shot a video in. I'd be all, you know, LES projects with Ray Ray's video and K. Sean, like my son. Right, right. Sean and knows it. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. So when you think about it, you know what I mean? Like, I always, you know, my roots are from New York.

[00:16:22] I'm about to say, how you got so much New York love? Because you know we supposed to hate y'all from Boston. Well, see, because look, I was born in Boston, but it was a technicality. Because my father was living in New York, dating my mother in Boston, driving to go see her. Oh, OK. OK. So, but my grandmother lived in Coney Island projects. I keep telling people about Coney Island. They think that shit is some Ferris wheel. Oh, OK. Himalaya. Oh, hell no. Oh, the elevators.

[00:16:51] The elevators that don't work. Oh, no, no. The terraces that go, everybody's built, like the one terrace for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, bro, like Coney Island projects. But, you know, I didn't think of New York. When you were a kid, you don't see that. Right. I'm coming from Boston, and these projects are way bigger than the projects in Boston. Yeah. New York's crazy. And then my grandfather lived in the Bronx. Mm-hmm. And right there on Fordham Road, right before Jimmy's was Jimmy's.

[00:17:21] Mm-hmm. My father lived in a house on Steeda Avenue and on the corner. Before Jimmy's was Jimmy's, it was a parking lot. There was like a used car parking lot. Then it was Jimmy's. Right. Like, I was going to my grandfather's and grandmother's back and forth on summers, Christmases, Thanksgiving. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm always there. And my grandfather was just a few blocks over from Sedgwick, where hip-hop fucking, you know, arguably, you know what I'm saying?

[00:17:48] I'm going to say arguably, because I'm from Brooklyn. I want to take claim in that, too. Grandmaster Flowers and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that. I know that. I know. I know. I know that. I know that. I know that.

[00:18:15] I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. So, that's where the bodies used to be in East New York. They had burning tires, empty lots. That's where they used to bury all of them. East New York looked crazy, bro, because there was no buildings.

[00:18:44] It was just a bunch of vacant lots with straight dogs everywhere. I know what you're saying about the Bronx. But the East looked crazy, too. They just built it. But it really can't compare a little bit. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I mean, see, the Bronx, and I say that to say this, like, if hip-hop birthed out of the Bronx, like, that was what America, you know, because remember, all the Caribbean people were moving to the Bronx, because that was the cheapest place to live. Right, right.

[00:19:14] Like, kind of. You know what I'm saying? And so, the conditions that America had, you know, black and Latino in was right there. Right. And, you know, those was fucked up conditions. And for hip-hop to come out of that, that's why I hope, that's why, you know, I really, when it comes to hip-hop in the streets, I want people to really understand why it's important, why I ride so hard for that, because that is where it came from. Right, right, right.

[00:19:44] Now, yes, college niggas can come through, and the working class, and everybody else can be a part of it. Right. But where it came from was the worst of what America had to offer for black and Latino people. Right, right, right. That's important to me. Right, right, right. Because it's a multi-trillion dollar industry that everybody eats now that saved our communities and culture. Think about it. And it came from that. And we the last people to get some bread off of it. You know what I'm saying?

[00:20:12] We the, we the, yeah. When you had the, when you was at the source, the five mic system, I always was tripping off that. Was you involved in the five mic system? No, I mean, no. The five mic system was, you know, you gotta understand, look. So when Dave had an idea about the source, he wanted, he basically wanted to take Rolling Stone's blueprint. Okay. I mean, Rolling Stone was the, was the premier magazine for rock, for rock and roll. Right.

[00:20:43] Now here comes hip hop. Dave was like, look, hip hop's going to be just as big as rock and roll. And we need to be the Rolling Stone of hip hop. Mm-hmm. The source. Mm-hmm. That was the initial. So when you looked at Rolling Stone back then, they was rating albums. And they had the system. Mm-hmm. They had albums. They didn't have, like, you get three albums. You know what I'm saying? They didn't have the mics. So that was the whole idea. And how that's done is that the staff of the magazine rates the mics. Mm-hmm.

[00:21:12] You bring everybody in, into a room. You know what I'm saying? They got weed. They got the drink. They got whatever. And it's an intense thing because the whole office shuts down when they do that. And, you know, Dave will get the albums. And certain journalists could get albums early. You know, not everybody could get them early. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like, before they come out. You know what I'm saying? Like, we getting all the albums before they hit any. You know what I'm saying? Right. And so you'd have everybody back then.

[00:21:41] You'd have everybody, like, the art directors, the journalists, you know, the photographers. Everybody involved with the staff would be back then. And the staff was pretty, you know, I mean, they had a pretty diverse staff. Well, let's say, because Ms. Info comes from there. Kim Osario comes from there. A lot of people come from this source. You know, I mean, you know, but the thing was, these are all college kids. Right, right.

[00:22:07] And I think that's where people don't understand where me and how I came in and brought a cool street guys and was hiring. Like, Carlito Rodriguez came out of jail. I gave him a big job because he was a hell of a writer, and I gave him a chance. People was like, people at the source was really, like, kind of, like, questioning me for that, but he turned out really dope. And Carlito's doing amazing things on TV with Empire and movies and, you know, it's like, you know what I'm saying? I always just wanted to give the streets a chance. Did you hire Starr and Buckwild, too?

[00:22:38] I gave him the, I gave him the, I gave him the, Wendy Starr and Buckwild. Right, right. Feds Magazine gave my office. I always, anything that you've seen that had nothing to do with college. Right. Benzino, that was Benzino's hire. Mm. Because you gotta understand, everybody in the source is from college. Right. So everybody's having a college point of view. And what happens with college? Usually you get shipped off. So you're away from the streets for years. Right. You ain't on the block. Well, you never was in the streets in the first place because you were college.

[00:23:05] And that's okay because, look, you in a household, there's two brothers. One hit the streets. It's boys in the hood. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, Doughboy hit the streets and, you know what I'm saying, his brothers in football. Mm-hmm. You know, that's what it is. The brother was sheltered. Still knew everybody because he still lived there. But he wasn't, he was sheltered from violence and sheltered from drugs. Sheltered from what's going on. Whereas that Doughboy's knee deep in it. Right. They both ended up getting killed because they lived in that environment. Right, right, right, right.

[00:23:35] But, but, but the thing is, that's what's important to me. And not that, and yes, you know, hip-hop is where the only thing where it merged within the culture, college and street, and that's what made it. Because college radio used to be the biggest thing for us. The Gavin, CMJ. It was the only thing for us. Yeah, Gavin and CMJ, yeah, that was big. Yeah, it was the only thing. They wouldn't, these kids wouldn't even know nothing about that. It's not a radio station in Boston.

[00:24:04] It has to come from college. Wow. Hip-hop. Wow. Crazy. Yo, you know what messed my head up? I didn't even know you got into it with the locks. This was before Tommy's theme or after? This was after Tommy's theme. This was after Tommy's theme. How the hell y'all get into it? It was cool, though. It wasn't, it had nothing to do with them. It was like a crazy misunderstanding and the fact that just, just dumb shit. Right, right. Turn of events.

[00:24:32] It's like, man, one thing about, one thing about hip-hop. Everybody has, you know, you give your niggas jobs and you have a bunch of niggas around you and you try to organize it to be as professional as possible. But when it be a lot of niggas from the streets involved, all kind of shit happens. Yeah. And it had nothing to do with the locks in Made Man. I mean, nothing, nothing to do with Jada, Chic, Styles, Benzino, E, Jesus, 2, nothing to do with us. Right. All right? So this is, you know what I'm saying?

[00:25:00] So it just was a misunderstanding, man. You know, we on tour and one of the guys, there was a Def Jam promotion bus and Jermaine, one of our guys that we had put on the bus, the bus goes out before everybody else's bus goes to, so the bus goes to the cities first so they can put the poster boards all over the city. So we're, you know, right by the stadium. So when, you know, when people come in, you feel me? Street team, we hang up the snipes and everything like that. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:25:29] But you know, old school type shit, you know? Right. And he used to do a hell of a job, but we'd be coming through and it'd be more made men's shit than D, than Rough Riders and Cash Money. Right. Niggas be mad at that. Niggas don't like that shit. So something happened where he had, X had some chick, rest in peace to the legend. Rest in peace to the legend. I had some chick that was in Virginia, I think, or a box model, you know?

[00:25:54] And I think Jermaine, chick was downstairs with X's hotel room and was like, where the fuck is X? X. Jermaine and the girl ended up kicking it. Jermaine ends up smashing the chick on the Def Jam bus. The Def Jam rep comes in and was like, yo, that's X's girl. They end up getting into a beef on the bus. They sent Jermaine, they sent Jermaine home. We had to stop in Ohio. We skipped Ohio and kept coming to Boston because we had two shows in Boston. We wanted to be ready. And I flew Jermaine to Boston.

[00:26:23] We do the first show, sold out, Fleet Center, killed it, destroyed it. That was another proud moment. We have tried so hard, you know, to rock big arenas. And, man, we killed that, man. You know, that was another problem. Made, man, at the Fleet Center. The second night, you know, and mind you, you know, we get an extra search because they got the gang task force there, the feds there, all kind of people, state troopers. So we can't get no weapons in.

[00:26:49] Usually on tour, we get in the blicks in with Jeff's turntable. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because we're going through metal detectives and shit. We couldn't do that in Boston because they was actually searching the car for us. Right. So, you know, we ended up getting, I remember the second show we had Prince performing. It goes us, Cash Money, even Ruff Riders. And when we're on the road, we always, after we rock, we go home. You know, we got rules.

[00:27:18] You know, we don't stay around because there's too many of us. I don't want anybody getting problems. We rock a show. We get back to the hotel. We don't even watch. You know what I mean? If there's an after party, we figure it out. But we usually get back to the hotel. So I ain't trying to fuck nothing up. You know what I'm saying? One of the niggas fuck with a chick or somebody's chick. Anything can happen, bro. You know what I mean? That North Carolina sauce talk, remember? Red Hot Love It's Home. Right, right, right. Fucking with somebody's chick. Yeah, yeah. Lord for that. I had to whip out the mother.

[00:27:48] It was about to fuck him up. I had to whip out the strap. Yeah. And make sure everybody got on the bus good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was in 91. There was 91. 91. You know what I mean? I was like, damn, boy. I didn't even know him. But we was all together. They end up becoming the legendary track masters. Ain't that bugged out? He end up becoming track masters, the biggest producers in the culture. And you saved them. But yeah, I end up with it. I wonder if he remembers that. You think he too, dog?

[00:28:17] Yeah, they remember everything. Because he don't smoke a drink. So he remember. He better remember shit. Yeah, he better remember. That was real, bro. That was real out there. But we'll get to that. I saved 52. What about that? We're going to get into that too. So the Fleet Center, how did y'all? How did y'all? So the second show, we decide. We deep. We got family, friends, everything. We on the side of the stage. We about 30, 40 deep. So we said, fuck it.

[00:28:46] We're going to see them and watch these niggas perform. We're going to watch Cash Money. We're watching them. And then Queen Penn at the time, I came upstairs. She was crying. Yo, X is downstairs in the dressing room saying, where's Ray? Where's Jermaine? Where's Ray? Where's Jermaine? And yo, he could talk about some problems. I'm like, what? What? So we went downstairs. I grabbed just, I said, look, everybody wait here. Nobody comes. I'm just going with three niggas.

[00:29:16] We don't need to all go down there. You know what I'm saying? Because I already know. We go down there deep. It's going to be a, you know, I already be knowing things. I be trying to fucking chill shit before it get crazy. Oh, no, come on. Because everything be on my motherfucking shit. So we go downstairs and we go, you know, these are small hallways downstairs. Right, right, right. Blasting. You can't even hear, you can't even hear yourself talk. I'm saying, where's X? Where's X? I seen Ice Pig Jade. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Ice.

[00:29:46] I said, I'm looking for X. I got Jermaine. That's why I talked to him. There's a misunderstanding. We need to talk. That's when Styles came out. Styles was like, yo, Ray, what up? Styles. We came. We hug each other. All of a sudden, like 15, 20 niggas is behind me. I'm like, I told y'all niggas not to come down. It came anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next thing you know, niggas is coming out of this shit. It was about a good 10, 11 deep. Maybe about 10 deep.

[00:30:14] But it's so narrow. Yeah, the marina hallways. Yeah, the marina. You can only fit about four to five niggas in front anyways. Everybody else is still going to have to be in the back. Right. So somebody on my side threw a water bottle. Then that's when everything started happening. You know, I know when somebody had grabbed me from my back, my brother grabbed me.

[00:30:43] And, you know, and Styles had got swung on. I think Styles' nose got broke. Styles had the blade. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, that's when Styles came up. And basically, you know what I'm saying, when Styles, you know, I mean, they had knives, a couple of knives. Right, right, right. So, you know, it was... You said they had some pokers. They had pokers. They had pokers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Them biggest is the pokers crew. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, they didn't get searched.

[00:31:12] Like, we didn't have shit. So a couple of our guys on our side got poked. I know one guy got hit with, like, this big chair on their side. Fucked his eye. He had his eye hanging out. Like, I think one of them niggas' eyes got... One of them niggas' eyes got knocked out with some crazy shit. So, you know, both sides suffered a little casualties, but it only lasted for, like, four or five minutes. How do you squash that, though? You know, Dave ended up talking to D and Wap. Okay. Because, you know, we have been doing big business with them.

[00:31:42] Right, right. You know what I'm saying? You know, and like you said, man, we... Shit, them niggas came to Boston, man. They made one of the dopest tracks we ever did together. You know, and shot the video. The niggas was cool. Right, right. It just was a fucked up situation that happened. And I get it. You know, not... You know, I didn't get stabbed, right? So, you know... You know... I don't... You know, when you get older, you start seeing things differently. So as far as watching it,

[00:32:09] I know probably a few niggas on my end probably didn't want that. Right, right. But, you know what I'm saying? It was a bigger picture that had to be seen. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I just felt like it was the right thing to do. So we ended up going at a restaurant, meeting at a restaurant. Me, Kish, D, and Dave, and Hawk. And we sat. And, man, you know... You know, first of all, we had had nothing to do with us. That's what it was. It was crazy. It had nothing to do with us.

[00:32:39] And the whole time, X never came out the dressing room. Wow. The whole time, niggas was beefing. He never came out. Mm-hmm. And, you know, that was something. They said Swizz was in there, in the dressing room. He didn't come out. Mm-hmm. I didn't... Listen, man, you know,

[00:33:08] I didn't want that to happen because at the end of the day, this was their tour. Right. So this was the Rough Riders, Cash Money. Cash Money. And y'all were opening for the Rough Riders. He was opening up. Wow. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I remember 50 opening up for us in Connecticut in a couple of shows. We had seen them, and it was cool. Like, you know what I mean? You know, everything was cool with niggas. That was just a fucked up situation, man. Yeah. You know? And the thing was this, like, Jermaine's standing there. When Styles came,

[00:33:38] he made a point when he's seen all the guys. He made a point, said, look, me and Ray's cool. Mm-hmm. He threw his head up. He said, yo, we cool. Right. Like, it's true. You know what I'm saying? It was our fault. You know, nobody should have threw the fucking water bottle. Right, right, right. At all. That was crazy. And, you know, it was, like I said, it was an unfortunate situation, but things happen, you know, when you get a bunch of street niggas together, and then, you know. But, hula heads prevailed, man, and we moved on from there. So, 50.

[00:34:07] You said you saved 50. Was this the studio thing? That was when it was at Song, Made Men, and Jon and them had the beef with them at Hit Factory. Remember, everything was on 54th Street. Right. Sony was in the middle of 54th. I mean, Hit Factory was in the middle of 54th, Sony's on the end. Mm-hmm. And as the story goes, they had the incident already. He comes to y'all session. He came to, Jesus was outside smoking a cigarette. Mm-hmm. Remember I told you

[00:34:36] we got rules? Jesus wasn't supposed to be bringing anybody in the session without letting us know. Right, right, right, right. Right, period. You know what I'm saying? Like, my nigga, you gotta let us know. Like, he just, like, anything could have happened. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like, now we caught up in the middle of some shit. Right, right, right. So, but he came in. He was soft-spoken. He was saying how, you know, what happened. He showed he got cut on his side by, like, the belt area. Where was Yayo at? Wasn't Yayo with him when it happened? Now, when there was nobody

[00:35:05] but he was by himself. And mind you, mind you, so if he ran or if he walked, he had to get him. Them niggas split up. Mm-hmm. But he did say that Yayo dropped the gun and there was no bullets in it. What? He showed the whole crew a gun, a little .38 snug, a little nasty. And see, this is the thing about Yayo. When Yayo tells a story, he said 50 had a big nickel-plated 4-5th. And, you know, he be hyping niggas up in the streets so niggas can think that they did the most rude and too.

[00:35:35] And like, bro, like, relax, my nigga. So what was it? All right, so it's a nickel-plated soul. There is no... No, it was a nickel-plated. It's black. It was a nasty .38, a little nasty little .32. You see what I'm saying? There's no clip with that. There's no clip. Snub nose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It had no shells in it. It probably was a .32. Remember how 32s used to be hard as hell to get bullets back there? Listen. Listen. Let me tell you something. Mm-hmm. Everybody was in there. I'm sitting playing Madden.

[00:36:05] He's standing in the corner. Mm-hmm. Everybody was about eight of us in there. So it ain't like it's just me that told the fucking story. Like, that nigga showed everybody the gun and said he dropped it. Mm-hmm. When Blackchild and him told the story, they said it was fucking dark in there and he was hitting niggas with pool sticks. Wow. And he heard somebody say something about a gun and the gun dropped. Mm-hmm. I didn't even know Blackchild and Jody. That's what's so crazy. At that moment, I never even met them niggas. Right. Ever. Right.

[00:36:34] So in 50s, their 50s, like, yo, you know, Tone and Track said, um, Trackmasters say some good things about you. Get back to Tone. Right. He was like, Trackmasters, yo, they say you solid, say, you know what I mean? Because I had done some work with them. I had, you know, I had got some music from them and shit, you know what I'm saying? When I was signed. Right. They had to do some songs for them, you know, Tone and Pope. And plus, at that particular time, you was known for, if you were ready, you good, because y'all was always deep. I ain't gonna front.

[00:37:03] We were strapped like, we were strapped like a motherfucker. Yeah, but I never seen you with two guys. It was always a minimum of like eight to ten guys at all points. And it was, and you had dudes, and you had dudes with you that was just on point. They wasn't rappers. They wasn't nothing. They was just, they wasn't security. They was cruel, but they wasn't there to rap and sing. They was there. Shit get crazy. They was there. Yeah, they was there to handle it. And these are niggas and everybody, we all grew up together. Right. So we all,

[00:37:32] so we already doing street shit, but now we get money and rap and, you know what I'm saying? But I gave everybody jobs, put everybody on payroll. You know what I'm saying? Niggas wasn't security, but hey, you know what I'm saying? You, you know, we got it for taxes. This is what you got to be. You know what I'm saying? For tax purposes. So, so, so 50 comes and he's bleeding. Yeah. And you got him out of there. I called a car service because, you know, I had the source and we had our own car service, Atlantic car service. Mm-hmm.

[00:38:02] And I called him a car service and sent him to Belvia. Mm-hmm. Well, you sent him to the hospital. I don't know if he'd have any money for a cab. Right, right. Obviously, he was by himself. He was with three, four niggas up there and he's, now nobody's with him. Mm-hmm. So, I don't know the situation if they had a whip or if the niggas who had the whips ran on him. Right. There's a lot of backstory to that that never got told. Right. Like, how he ended up in my session was strictly because he must have came from Hit Factory, Jesus is outside

[00:38:31] smoking cigarettes and then somehow they talked and was like, yeah, Zeno's inside. Right. Oh, Benzino in there? Yeah, come on in. Right, right, right. So, you know, it was, it wasn't, it was, it was cool. Right. It was good. It was like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, because I hadn't heard the mixtapes. I heard how to rob. So, yeah, I'd heard the nigga. You could have, it could have been anybody that walked in there, nigga, you know what I'm saying? And I'm going to be like, look, you know, I got a, you know what I'm saying? I got a car service. Right.

[00:39:01] You know, if, if, you know, I'm just, the simple shit, I always did for niggas regardless, bro. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, I remember Remy, this is just a funny story. We can get back to 50, but I remember having a studio, owning the studio on 5th and 13th and Remy and the nigga from Bars and Hooks had crashed their car by Hot 97. I don't know if it was a stolen car or something, but they ran over to my studio. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm.

[00:39:31] So, you know what I mean? I think I might have put them in a cab too or something or just something let them stay. You know what I mean? I've always helped out niggas my whole entire career. Right. In one way or the other and had no problem with doing it. Do you feel like right now the industry turning back on you? I mean, the industry is a, you know, when you use that term, you know, there's a lot of people in the street. Right. You know, there have been people. The industry

[00:40:01] is a turn your back on people. Industry. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. I mean, you gotta be prepared for that. See, real niggas, when you first get in there, a nigga stab you in your back, you're gonna kill him. Right. Or you surely won't fuck with him no more. Right. But in the industry, especially with label people, if they stab you in the back, you can't say nothing because you might come around and have to deal with them again. Right. And you don't want to burn the bridge. Right. Right. That's a funny industry to be in for, street nigga. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know,

[00:40:36] he might be on this station or he might be the program director or he might be, because all they do is just, it's the same motherfucking musical chairs. It's musical chairs. That's it. Yep, yep. That's it. So once you, you know what I mean, you know, it's a, they have a, it's a fucking, you know, it's a club. It's a club. It's a club. Yeah. Because he go from this label, then he's at this label, then he's over here now and he's like, oh, I didn't know he was over here. Then you go to the Viacom building. Yeah, I've been at Viacom for two weeks now. I mean, you like, damn, I keep bumping into this motherfucker.

[00:41:05] So I'm glad I didn't break his neck three years ago. Right, right. So, you know, if you, if you fuck him over, then you just burn the bridge, you know, and you, and you fucking your checkup. And I did that, you know what I'm saying? But I had to source, I didn't have to worry about it, but, you know, you know what I'm saying? You know, I would say that, you know what I mean? Like as far as burning bridges, you know, I was cool with people, but, you know what I mean? I just, I just, I don't want to be in the industry. I wanted to be in the industry, but I don't want to be a part of the industry. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right, right. You know what I mean?

[00:41:35] Because the industry just isn't what the fuck we stand for. And what, you know, when it comes to being friends with somebody and loyalty, and you throw all that shit out the window, dignity, all that shit. It's gone. Integrity is gone. Integrity gone. Everything. Y'all had TV shows. Y'all had TV shows on. Two shows. Social Access. Lisa Ray, the first time we really saw Lisa Ray. Social Access. In Tretch. Lisa Ray in Tretch. Yeah. We, and two times a DJ, and we syndicated it. Right. So it would come on at 10 o'clock on like the main stations.

[00:42:05] Right. You know what I'm saying? Four or five UPN, but it was syndication. We paid a lot of money to put them shows on. It's not like now. We was using the NBC studios and shit, man. We was paying a lot of money to do those shows, man. It's funny to see how you could just do shit now with just your iPhone. Right, right, right, right, right. A little stand with a light. You know what I mean? But yeah, we was, we, we pioneered all that shit. No question.

[00:42:32] I want to ask you the infamous Source Awards. Like, this is the most infamous thing ever in probably hip hop history that we all saw. Um, Suge Knight is there. The whole West Coast is there. The whole fucking Wu-Tang is there. Biggie and them is there. Did you know DJ Quick was going to disate that night? I mean, chances are, you know that the beat. Eight, eight, when I seen eight, they're not, yeah, because they were so deep.

[00:43:01] I knew something was going to jump off with them. right, right, right. I thought it was going to be worse. Right. I thought everything was going to be worse. There's so many different, in 95, there's so many different issues. You know, Ice Cube and Bone Thug had issues. Ice Cube and Bone Thugs had issues. Yeah, Bone Thugs, because, you know, Easy, Easy, Easy had signed, Easy had passed, and he signed Bone Thugs, and, you know, Ice Cube was disin' easy, and Bone didn't like that, and, you know what I'm saying? So they, they, they looking at each other funny at the awards, and, um,

[00:43:30] Wu-Tang and Biggie. Right. You know what I'm saying? it was up. Yeah, it was up, yeah. Twister, Twister and Bone Thugs. Right. You know what I'm saying? Crucial conflict, and, I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was the first time all these artists in their respective territories, these huge artists, seen each other for the first time. Right. These niggas ain't never seen each other for the first time, like, all these niggas in one motherfuckin' building. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

[00:44:00] You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. So, it was tense with a lot of people, it was always tense, but that one was, you know, like, I knew somebody was just gonna get shot in that motherfucker, I just figured, I was like, damn. The South got, the South got something to say. grabbed the mic and did out of, on bail, in 95, he was locked up. Think about this too, right? The South got something to say happened too, Andre 3000. That was crazy, because I felt I was a part of that because of, of,

[00:44:30] I think, you know, and I admitted this, you know, they, they were, you know, of them not getting five mics, I think I had to say so on that. You stopped it? So you, so you admitting to the public? I mean, I just, I just had to say so on it because I didn't hear the music, man, and I just, you know what I'm saying? You know, I was, you know, I don't think a lot of people did, but I, I give the, the people at the source credit, those college kids. Right. They, they, they heard it. Right. I, I just did it. And they were, they want to give them a five,

[00:44:59] and I think we broke it down to a four and a half. I wasn't the only one, but I think I was one of the ones, and that was one of the only times that I stuck my neck. Right. No pun intended. Right. Right. That, that I stuck my neck in it. And you know, I, I, I regretted it. I'm a man. Right. I'm, I'm, I'm a lot more. I see things different. I shouldn't have done it. And you know, I, I, you know, on your show, I want to apologize to them, you know? Right. Right. You know what I'm saying?

[00:45:29] Because, because I see the passion in Andre 3000's face, because they was boring him. Right. You know, you know, they was boring him. I did have a, a say so in them winning the award. So it was kind of a makeup for that. Right. Right. Because they got, because by then they got huge as fuck. Like they seen it. Like, no, especially New York didn't hear it. Right. Right. Right. New York didn't hear it. Right. Right. So you understand I'm from the East coast now. You know what I'm saying? Right. So, you know, it happened, but I, you know,

[00:45:56] there's such a big group and it's so unproblematic that I want to make sure that, you know, I could have kept that to myself, but I, I didn't want to, I want to fess up, you know what I'm saying? And then let them know, look, you know what I'm saying? I didn't hear it, but man, they made us hear it. That night. He, he said it that night. Yeah. And that started like this whole South thing that just was over. The South got something to say. He, he ushered in that whole movement. Yep. With that night,

[00:46:26] with those words. And it looked like, he looked like he wanted to cry. Yep. Wow. Wow. Wow. Suge Knight went up there. Did you, what was you like? What the hell is going on with Suge Knight? I was, I was right there when that happened. I was, I was, I was, I was backstage. So I was, I was looking at it and I just was like, damn. Who you thought he was talking about? First thing I looked at, first thing I did, I was like, cause you know, I had called a couple of niggas cause I, you know, we strapped up in that. Right. Now up in there, we strapped. Right. Right. Right. I think we might've, we for security,

[00:46:54] we might've had the nation of Islam as the ushers. I'm not sure. Mm-hmm. But I think, I'm not sure, but I just was like, damn, this shit get ready. This shit get ready. I'm looking at, I'm, I'm looking in the crowd and watching niggas like talking, being mad. And you know what I'm saying? I'm watching niggas, New York niggas. Right. Right. Right. All kinds of niggas. And, uh,

[00:47:24] if it wasn't, if it was, I always say that Snoop defused it, you know, because when Dr. Dre won the award, it was like, you know, what's the line with y'all, man? We know we in New York. You don't got no love for us? I thought Snoop popped shit though. I was still a little mad when he said that though. Yeah. But, but the way he did it, he was given New York props because, you know, he was given New York props because Snoop, I think really deep down inside, like everybody respected New York hip hop, loved New York hip hop. Without New York hip hop, where would Snoop be? And I think he,

[00:47:54] I think he recognizes that. Right, right, right, right. Snoop is a, is a real fan of, of hip hop. So I know he understands the importance of where it didn't start in LA. Right. And where the influences came from. I think he, he got it, but they was just so big that, and mind you, you know, there's Bloods, Crips, them niggas is in the front. They got Bloods and Crips. It's both sides. Together. He flew in about a hundred niggas. Right. Shug was doing shit that I was doing later on.

[00:48:23] I'd be flying niggas in and put them in hotels when we was doing them shits in Miami and LA. And he did that shit. That was, and he paid for that set, the jails and all that. And Snoop coming out on the gurney. Oh, he paid for all of that? They paid for that, all that. That's one of the dopest performances ever. Ever. Ever. Oh. Because they had everybody. Right, right, right. You have everybody. That's why I said they had Quick, too. Quick was a part of this. Everybody. Yeah, Quick. They had Rage, Dog Pound. Right. Quick. Nate Dogg.

[00:48:53] Nate Dogg. Rest in peace, yo. Come on, man. Like they had, you know, and at the time, each one of them motherfuckers had hits. Right. You know, people say what they want about Shug, but nobody gave us better music of that era than Shug and I. Right. I'm sorry, man. That's true. That's true. Because when you be getting New York, man, it's to love West Coast shit. It was tough, bro, because I wasn't, because I ain't going to lie to you at first. I was like, man, get this shit, because I come from the NWA and the Cube and all that, but that was different because it was musical. You know, with us,

[00:49:22] we sample bass, it ain't got certain drums. We like, get this shit out of here. That was musical, but it was hard. You know what I'm saying? But Dre was such a sample. You know, Dre is one of the top, you know, for me, influence the producers, because the way he sampled was just... It's clean. See, it was too clean, because we got Tribal over here. It was clean and big. Right, but we got Pete Rock and Seals. New York Sample's dirty and thin. yeah, Dirty and thin. Right, right. You know, them just put the bass in and clean. You know what I'm saying?

[00:49:52] That was the difference. Our shit was very lo-fi over here. His shit was clean, so we was like, what is it? You know, I came from the sample thing of Paul C. from Queens, the great Paul C. Absolutely. I just... I was using SB 1200. He taught me how to do that, and we would have... We would... Sometimes, you would hear the crackling of the fucking thing in the sample, and we wanted that. I just interviewed Mikey D. He's talking about Paul C. Mikey D from... Paul C. Let me tell you, Paul C. Paul C got killed on my birthday in Queens.

[00:50:21] We were staying at the Kennedy Inn, and I was recording at 1212. Wow. And Paul personally was teaching. We stayed up there for a week and a half recording, and that's when we was with Flavor, you know what I mean? So let me ask you something. When Shilk did that, who you thought he was talking about? Did he? Well, he... Jermaine Dupri... Yeah. I think Jermaine just wanted the clout. Right. He wasn't wearing... I'm sorry. You know what I mean? Jermaine... Yeah.

[00:50:52] Jermaine wasn't... Niggas wasn't... Jermaine wasn't bothering nobody. Right. For anybody to bother Jermaine. Right, right, right. So maybe Jermaine, you know, wants to be involved, but that was Diddy. We all thought it was Diddy. We all... No, there's no thought. Yeah, yeah. That was Diddy. Right. Emphatically Diddy. Yeah. That was Diddy. Diddy handled that well, though. He didn't have to, because he was in New York. I want to give Jermaine his props, though, because Jermaine did dance in videos before Diddy. Facts. When he was breakdancing

[00:51:21] with UTFO when he was a little kid. Right, right. When he was a little kid, he was breakdancing on UTFO. Right. But Jermaine, I doubt if Suge seen that. Right, right, right. Suge wouldn't know about no dare of UTFO. Wouldn't know about that. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of UTFO, rest in peace to Kango Kid. Kango Kid, yes. Me and Kango Kid was personally cool, man. Right. And he had a battle with cancer, man. He's, man, such a legend and such a great dude. I got a chance to really kick with him a couple of times personally, man. Just a good dude. You know what I love UTFO?

[00:51:51] UTFO birthed the Roxanne thing via full force. Then you got the Roxanne thing and then we get Shantae. Then from Shantae, you get me. So that's what I love about the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? That's the branches. Yeah, that's the branches. Six degrees. Yep, yep. All right. Yep. So let me ask you something. You had children in the industry. Two children. Yeah. One didn't work as well as it should have. Why didn't the Ray Ray thing go well?

[00:52:20] Well, Ray Ray got his first deal at nine years old. He was on his first song at seven. Ray Ray got to perform at the Fleet Center at seven years old. Wow. On a Cash Money Tour. Right. And then at nine, he got a deal with Baby Punk, Christopher. Right. Chris Rivers now. With Little James called Three Down. Mm-hmm. Produced by us. And he got a deal on Interscope. Mm-hmm. Then Jimmy kicked in like half the money,

[00:52:49] which was $400,000. He didn't even want to wait because usually you got to wait to clearance because there was under 15 and he didn't even wait. He just said, man, I want them now. They're so dope. Benny Boom did their first video for like $200,000, The Bronx Tale. Mm-hmm. I mean, we was getting ready to really go and then the Eminem thing derailed it. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like he dropped him after the Eminem thing happened. But you know, Ray Ray, he goes under the name of Chavo. He's independent. He's been working. He got a deal through distro kid.

[00:53:19] He still puts out shit independent. He gets big checks. Right, right, right. He's been doing his thing. He just got his first gold plaque with Michigan, the song called Michigan. Mm-hmm. You know, him and Pierre Bourne, a producer, you know, a producer for Innescope, Kanye West, and all different people put out a couple of mixtapes and projects and he did really well on, you know, I'm proud of Ray Ray because he's, everything's independent. Right, right, right. So about 2015, 16, I hear of a girl named Coyle Ray,

[00:53:49] right? And I'm in my office downtown Brooklyn and my film crew, shout out to Ether and Moja, they say, yo, that's your man's daughter. They're who? They said, that's Benzino's daughter. That's Benzino's daughter. I'm like, I didn't know that. You know what I'm saying? So I automatically took to her because I'm like, oh no, that's the big bro daughter. But then I just see her blowing the hell up. Right. And then,

[00:54:19] I'm like, oh shit, she's arrived. But I'm like, that's my bro daughter? Like, that's like my niece now, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo, so I'm tripping, but I'm like, yo, she's just, did you see that coming? Did you? Absolutely not. Wow. Absolutely not. I never seen it coming, you know, her and Ray Ray grew up, you know, Koi's three years old and Ray Ray's video, he was seven. That's what I'm saying, I remember him. I don't remember him. She's in the video at the end with a little fur coat on.

[00:54:48] Wow. You know, three years old, two years old, three years old. And, you know, when you're a father, especially a street guy, you don't want your daughter around, nothing that you was involved with. Right. Right. There was a time when I was in Miami, she said she wanted to start singing. And I had Vince do a couple of songs, Vince Harper, do a couple of songs where I had got mindless behavior and I did some stuff with him in the studio. You know, but Ray Ray was the rapper and I surely didn't want, you know, and Ray Ray wasn't rapping street shit.

[00:55:18] You know, there was a time where Ray Ray was just, you know, you know, once they 14, 15, he's still kind of rapping, he's just trying to be lyrical, but he's not, you know, I'm not, he's not no gangster shit or nothing. Yeah. But there was a time where, you know, what Koi just was like, she started as an Achieve Keef, I remember. And, uh, yeah. Some drills, too. Yeah, she started really, but you know, when I think about it, she's been around gangster rap the whole life. I had studios my entire life. She grew up in a studio. She grew up around

[00:55:48] this whole industry in her entire life. Right. Right. And, you know, I was a stern father, an old school father. So my kids would really think about shit before they would let me know if they did it or before they tried. You know what I mean? Not that they were sneaky, but it was like, you know, if she wanted to rap and smoke weed and do all this stuff, like, you know, I would have all my kids with me even though I wasn't with the mothers, that they would all be with me for the summers, Christmas. Just like I was with

[00:56:17] my grandmother and grandma, they'd be with their father, they'd be with me. Wherever I'm at, Atlanta, Miami, wherever I live, LA, they came with me. And, um, you know, it was because I have another son by Koi's mother, so it was touring. Wow. So the three would always be with me, but when she started rapping, when she was living in Jersey, I just remember, she was like, Dad, I won't start rapping. And then when I heard the raps, I just was like, oh, man, this is like, what am I gonna do? Because I was, you know, I couldn't,

[00:56:46] it was just too raunchy. You know what I'm saying? Um, I didn't know what to do. You know what I mean? Since I wasn't living with her, you know, a little bit of the pressure isn't there, kind of, because if you're there, you really have to deal with it. Mm-hmm. So, you know, it's like, not that I didn't want to deal with it, but it's like, damn, I really didn't know how to deal with it. You know what I'm saying? I can't tell her that, no, I don't want you doing that because she, you know what I mean? I don't want to make, so, you know, Koi, um,

[00:57:15] I remember she needed, I had a 35mm camera. Now, I'm not as financially as I was, you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And, um, I remember I sent her to camera, she was excited about that because she had her little friend with the dreads, the girl, I forgot her name, Nick, was, you know, was gonna record her and she just started rapping, man. And she's in Jersey and, you know, she just started doing it herself. And I just do, I swear to God, I'm just not saying this. She was like that.

[00:57:45] I'm gonna be a star and you watch. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you watch, you're gonna hear from me. I just be like, oh, okay. Yeah, you know, I didn't take it serious because, because I just didn't see Koi. I didn't know what lane she was gonna be in. I just didn't know anything about it because she's in Jersey. So, she hooked up with DeAnthony. I had new DeAnthony's mother, Koi's mother do it, new DeAnthony's mother. She's from Boston. Sherry Martinez. Wow. On the radio. Yeah. The radio, yeah, the radio, yep. So,

[00:58:14] her son had something to do with Fetty Wap, Ginnisdale, young nigga DeAnthony. Wow. And he, and he had a good, good kid too. Not no street kid, small kid. He ended up taking Koi around the jersey and hooked her up with some producer and then she started doing shows and then the rest is history. And to this day, it's just surreal because, this is what I can say, even through all the controversy and stuff that me and Koi go through, especially on the internet, which is unfortunate, but, Right. Watched Koi, what she did.

[00:58:44] I know for a fact that she did that. She did that. Right. Like Koi makes decisions. I mean, granted, there's other people's helping her, but she, she's more like me. Ray Ray is more laid back. Koi is like me. Like, just, I'm gonna make shit happen. I'm not taking no for an answer. Fuck that. I don't care what anybody says about me. She's relentless. And that's how I was. She has a lot of me in her. Right. You know what I'm saying? And, Is that maybe why y'all class sometimes? That, that, that probably has a lot to do with it. Right,

[00:59:13] right, right. That probably has a lot, you know, she got that strong, you know, her mother used to be like, Ray, you know, calm, you better come get her. When, when she gets mad, you know, they, they call her benzina. Right. That was a little joke or shit. Right, right, right. you know, it just was like, man, you know, I don't have a handbook to raise a daughter, man. We street niggas. Right, right, right, right, right, right. And, you know, what, what you think is good for your kids. I'm, I'm going back to my, some, to my father's morals and values, my mother's.

[00:59:43] I'm trying to put that on her, but this is what they would do. Right. And they wouldn't want. So, then when you're not with the mother, the mother's against you. And, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know, and I don't want to put no damper on everything. Cause, you know, shout out to Coy, her moms and everybody. Um, because, and I don't mean shout out as a shout out, but, you know, I'm not trying to put any damper on anything. Like, listen, you know, you, you know,

[01:00:11] as dysfunction as families are, when the father's not living with the kid, the father still loves their kids. I still love my kids. I did everything I've been possibly known to man for him. Because at the end of the day, all we have to do is think about putting food on the table, money in their pocket. Right. That, you know, that's what a street nigga father does. A street, a street guy from the, a guy from the streets have to do. Right. So, you know, it's a, it's, you know, I, that's one of the, yes, it was a problem. That was my least problem.

[01:00:41] You know, going through it with her mix. I love her daily and I'm proud of her. You know, I just, you know, it's hard for me to see her in thongs and bathing suits. And, you know what I mean? I don't look at it. I'm going to be real with you. I don't, I never looked at none of her videos. Even the video with Buster and all that. Yeah, I can't, I can't even that, even that. So, you know, it's just, it's just, it's an awkward situation for me, dog. Right. And even having other guys deal with her. Right. French doing those types of songs with her. Like, you know, like I know,

[01:01:11] come on, man, you know, French was down in Miami with me. I let him use the studio, stay in the studio for, for weeks. Right. You know what I'm saying? Didn't charge him nothing. You know what I mean? So it's, you know, Buster doing songs with her. I didn't, to be honest, I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't too, I wasn't too happy about me that one of them doing songs with her and those type of songs. It was the type of songs or was the songs, period? It was the type of songs that you didn't like. Type of songs, but the type of songs. Mm. I'm saying. Songs, yeah, but the type of songs. Right, right,

[01:01:41] right, And then, you know, you know what I'm saying? As a father, you know, you know what I'm saying? You know, the way your daughter dresses around men, you know what I mean? Right. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm no different. If, if you're a father and, and, and whatever I'm going through, if everybody else, if no one else goes through that, then they lying. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's human. You're human. Yeah, you're human. It's easy to criticize me and my feelings towards it, which I don't give a fuck. Right. But, you know, how,

[01:02:11] how the fuck else am I supposed to fail? Right, right, right. I be, I be looking for other ways to fail in this situation. you, that you hear besides the neck thing. What's the biggest misconception about you? that's a big, see that, that misconception is because I've always, I've always had bad, bad, beautiful women. Right. Like, I ain't, you know, that shit don't bother me because that, when, when, when, you know, men,

[01:02:39] the internet showed me that a lot of men are like women because there's more men that really are insecure and, and be mad over a nigga because women show them attention than, than, than women. Say that again. Yeah, it's the truth. Men are being exposed. I get hate, bro, I get hate. for their insecurities. I get hate every day. Niggas just be mad at me. Like, fuck you mad at me? I ain't even do nothing. For, bro, it's, you know, so, you get, you know, I, I, I learned to live with that. You know what I'm saying? I learned to live with it.

[01:03:08] It's unfortunate that niggas are out there. You can see that men, men didn't have father figures in their life. I had a strong father figure. Though he was locked up, he still was a strong father figure. Right, right, right. You know, he put, he put me out the streets. Like, but he also taught me how to be a man. And there are certain things that, see, a lot of times when in life people think that you're just a man, niggas still go through a men and training phase. No, niggas be males. They don't be men. It's a difference. You got to be in a man. It's different. Cause you're male training. Right.

[01:03:37] There's still training to be a man. Right. And a lot of times they just don't year after year, they just don't make the cuts. It's like the SAT test. Right. They just don't, you know what I mean? They do some stupid shit to fuck it up. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. So, you know, you know, I don't never go under a man's page and comment under his appearance. Right, right, right. It's weird. Are you fucking kidding me? I get it every day, bro. I get it every day. Why you got the shades on? Why you worry about, I want to look in your eyes. I'm like, fuck you, look at my eyes. Man, listen, bro, I don't understand. So I just,

[01:04:07] you know, I don't, but the biggest misconception is, and I don't know if it's a misconception, like, but, you know, I love hip hop music. And I just think that the music that I've done, you know, always kind of was overshadowed by the controversies and the source and the bullshit. You know, I put out some good music, but I feel like because of the, all that, that, that, that the music didn't, didn't get looked upon the way it should have. You know what I'm saying? Um,

[01:04:38] another misconception, you know, is that I'm just a troublemaker. And I just, I just hate on people. And I'm a bully. And that couldn't be furthest from the truth. Like, I bully the bullies. You know what I'm saying? I can co-sign that. Cause I, you, you know, when I used to see people go at you, I'm like, I got going. That's the bro. He cool as hell. Like, I think that's the biggest misconception about you. Like you're, you're bitter, angry, uh, always got shit going on. I'm like, yo, this man done had the finest of cars,

[01:05:07] the finest of houses, finest of women, jewelry and everything. He lived a few lives. Right. So you know what it's like to get to the mountain, sometimes the fall, and then you fighting to get back to the mountain again. And I think people don't understand the struggle of where we come from, cause we start with nothing. You get something, but a man ain't a man till he learned how to get it all back. You done got it back a few times. You know, I mean, the thing is when you're a real hustler from the streets,

[01:05:37] it don't matter. You going back to the block. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, man. And that's what's so dope about it. And I've done that all my life. So that, that, that's, that's, that's embedded in me. Um, I look at it at a deeper, a deeper, a deeper look, you know, it was deeper for me, you know, everything that happened in my life and my journey was supposed to happen. Right. And there were times in your life that, you know, I had a hell of a run and there were times where you have to, when it comes times,

[01:06:07] you know, the, that you have to kind of, you have to kind of get, you know, you're moving so fast, you're making money. You have to get sat down. Right. For a little bit. And, and to be able to see things now. Right. A little slower. Mm-hmm. So you can understand things more. Mm-hmm. You know, um, you could be humbled more. You could be educated more. You could look at your mistakes and you could, you have to take responsibility. If you just get sat down and you're not taking responsibility,

[01:06:36] then that sit down is for nothing. Right. You know, you, I had to go through this period of reflection. Mm-hmm. And, you know, of course I've had money all my life. So then when it starts getting rough, you know, that's, that's a message. Like, no, well, let me show you. Right. And, and it's not as a punishment, but let me show you other great things in life that you'll never see when you're just chasing money. Mm-hmm.

[01:07:03] Let me show you what else is important in life that have nothing to do with money. Right. Being a, being a grandfather now, being a grandfather. I mean, listen, being a grandfather, but also just seeing life differently, man. Right, right, right. Like that 16-man dog and everything I went through, being from the streets, I see things different now. Right. You know, I see things different, and, and I'm at the point where there's no gray area. Right. There's only right and wrong, and I don't give a fuck who you are, what you are. I'm not going to sit there and be, yeah, uh-huh, okay,

[01:07:33] yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know too much. I do know a lot. Right, when you're doing the podcast, that's why I'm asking, when you're going to do the podcast? Man, I'm going to, you know what I'm saying, shit, I'm going to get it together, man, you know, you know, these days, you know what I'm saying, just getting, getting things stable and getting things right, you know what I'm saying, um, but it's time,

[01:08:03] you know what I'm saying, I was taking 40 years. You know, I'm a phone call, you know, I'm a phone call away, bro. I'm definitely going to be calling you, yeah, anything you need, you know, I know all the camera shit, the light, you know what I mean? No, man, I think, well not just the cameras, but you know, just to how to make money from the shit. Right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that shit, you know what I'm saying, I be watching like even before when I was watching your intro and how that shit and you came up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do it well. You know, I do all the graphics and you know, I do all of this. Nah, nah, nobody helps me with nothing. I do all of this. And then, you know,

[01:08:33] still on the West Coast, that's my partner. So, you know, big still at MC8, they got the Gangsta Chronicles, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, nah, nah, I fuck with still, man. I fuck with still. I got a lot of respect for still, man. I like still, I like this whole movement, man. Yeah, that's my partner. You know what I'm saying? That's my partner. So like, you know, anything, anything you need help with, you know, because that show is on the black effect. With Charlamagne, you know what I'm saying? Him and MC8 do that. And still, it's some things. You know, I reached out to a couple of people, you know what I'm saying? And you know,

[01:09:03] obviously that's Charlamagne, but you know, you know, a lot of guys, you know what I'm saying? And it's funny because there's so many people. Gotta shoot the pilot first though. See, that's what I'm saying to you. Let's shoot a pilot. Once they see what you got, they, I need that. See, cause they not, it's almost like a demo. Yeah. If you don't have no demo, people might say, yeah, I know he probably can make a good record. And you, you know, social wars and all kinds of things.

[01:09:32] It's like, you know what I'm saying? Why do I gotta go through that? They don't care. Nobody cares what you did yesterday, bro. That's the shit that killed me because I'm talking, you got multimillionaires right now back then that I 100% helped their career. Facts. And they don't even, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't do it. I didn't do it for credit. I didn't do it so they could do something bad for me. But, you know, a lot of shit, a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking like, things that, you know, and then back then they was excited.

[01:10:02] This is all they wanted. There was no other platform to be looking live at. It was right here. Right. So when I gave it to them, I know they was happy as hell. Years later, man, I can't even, I'm trying to get a meeting with Shaq because this is, you know, I got a couple of things I want to talk to Shaq about. You know what I'm saying? I remember wholeheartedly I made a source award, a source sports magazine so we could do the awards and gave just so Shaq can come. I made, you know, just so Shaq can come.

[01:10:32] Same thing with BMF. You know what I'm saying? Gave them awards today, you know, to make sure that they was being, so that the feds was looking at them down in Miami to make sure that they was cool. I've done so much shit for so many niggas that people would never know about. You know what I'm saying? But you, you know what? In this, in this industry and unfortunately us all coming from the streets, everybody still has their mentality and it's like, yo, we not in that no more. Now we got legitimate business. Dudes got LLCs, EINs and all that, right? I feel like this.

[01:11:02] If I look out for you, then you look out for me. It is what it is. Like I said, I never forgot what you did for me in 91. That's why you'll never see no Benzino smear campaign come from me, my mouth, or my platformer. I'm like, nah, that's my bro. no, no, no, no, no, no, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, the internet, again, you know what I'm saying? Like the shit that I have seen where people try to smear,

[01:11:32] what I do notice is the more, and this is psychological, the more you give it, the more it's going to bother you. Right. So when I see the smear campaigns and nothing, I don't even pay attention to it eventually that shit just go away. Right, right, right. Because the smear campaign has no validity to it because I know in my heart I ain't done nothing wrong there. Right, right, right. See, if I know that I did something fucked up, and even the stuff that I stand on,

[01:12:00] there is a reasons by it. It just isn't just... ...ignorance. Right, right. And me trying to bully or me trying to hate. There's some logical shit behind it that if you understand the reasoning why, then be like, okay, I get it. And it's always bigger than me. Right. Always. When you... And not to hash on this, because this shit is so old, but were you disappointed in black people with the Eminem thing? Did that hurt you?

[01:12:29] Like how your people did stand you? Yeah, of course, because... You know, but... I had grew up in Boston with it to where it's like, you know, you just, you out here on your own. If the white boys jump in you, then you got to fight your own, so you can't worry about anything else. So I just was always a nigga that if I did get disappointed, it would be quick. Because I got, you know, shit, if I'm going to fight the army by myself, I got things to do, I can't be harping. Like, no, every time I turned around, there wasn't nobody behind me every time. It was somebody, you know what I mean?

[01:12:58] There was no one behind me on that Eminem shit. It was me and Ja. But Ja was over here and I'm over here, and we taking bombs and missiles and shit, you know what I'm saying? And it was over the song Foolish Pride, but a lot of people did... You know, a lot of people didn't hear it. Nah, nah, nah, I mean, it was before that. You know, it was before that. That was after we dug that up. That was after the white boys showed his friends, his partner showed him at the office with the tapes. We ain't know nothing about that. But the beef was already gone. Right, but I'm just saying...

[01:13:28] He wasn't taking care of them, so they trying to sell the tapes to make money. What I'm saying, when I say it was over that, they're disappointed with our people, because you actually played him saying, I hate nigger bitches and all that. And everybody was like... Bitches are prostitutes, bitches ain't shit. Black bitches. No, black bitches. Yeah, black bitches. It wasn't I hate bitches. Black bitches. And everybody was like, so what? You know what I'm saying? Did that fuck... What'd you like, huh? That was probably a...

[01:13:57] That probably was a wake up call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck me up. I just, you know, I was like, wow. I couldn't believe it. Right. Even at the source, a lot of motherfuckers did not want to be involved with that. Right. I was like, damn, but you know what? I just showed you how the power of money and music and fame. Mm-hmm. You know, and it's the power of money, music, and fame is just so... Like, I don't want to say no name, but there's a female artist that disrespects dark skin women.

[01:14:27] And she's so big that dark skin women are like, fuck it. I've heard worse. Right. I've heard worse. Right, right. They'll make excuses. Mm-hmm. Right, right. But you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. That's just how we are in our culture, man. Yeah. What's next for you though? What do you, what you got playing right now? I got, I got, I got, they just dropped We Different. I got some, I got a series on Tubi that started. Okay. A movie, the movie TKO went crazy. Shout out to Chris Stokes, shout out to Dennis Reed.

[01:14:56] Chris Stokes did a TKO movie. Dennis Reed did We Different. It just dropped on Tubi. It's called We Different. I'm starring in that. I got some real, some shit coming up with some more movie shit that I, you know, I don't like to really, it's hard. You gotta be careful with what you say now. You know what I'm saying? Because you don't watch the fuck. But a lot of Tubi movie shit, you know, get ready to put out my first workout DVD. Well, DVD. Yeah.

[01:15:24] Well, workout or streaming thing. About time though. How many times a day you work, how many times you work out every day? Every day, every day. And then the times I'm on the road, like, you know, like there's a gym at the hotel here in Miami. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I make sure I go, I get to a hotel. What if not, then, you know, I, you know, I got like three gym, I got LA, Planet Fitness, and then, um, Crunch. Right. So whoever I'm at, you know what I'm saying? Because to be honest with you, working out to save me, it's really saving me. It's good for you. Yeah.

[01:15:54] Bro, I just, yo, I just did the Stairmaster today. Absolutely. I did the, um, the, the, the treadmill and I got this, yo, I got this machine from TikTok. Did you see that arm thing? Yeah. Yeah. I got one of those, bro. Yeah. I got one. Yeah. It do some, but I do it. I tell people I work out, uh, to help my mental illness. Cause if not, I'd be in jail. Seriously. I'm too good. I, I can listen to my music and nobody's bothering me, man. And then you know me, I, I don't even own a shirt, man.

[01:16:24] If I didn't have to wear a shirt, no way I wouldn't. You know what I'm saying? I love it. Like, yeah, cause it makes me smile. It's something that I'm in control of and nobody else. Right. Right. And you know, you know what I'm saying? And, and, and everybody loves to get compliments and shit, man, as far as, you know, how you look and everything, man. So, you know, I like to do that. And then I always figure stay, stay ready. So then when the, when the door's open, I'm, I'm a nigga where opportunity just knocks. Where I just gotta be in a place and wherever I'm at, people go crazy, man.

[01:16:53] Like people go crazy. I'm more famous dog with more love than I've ever been. I go walk on a Miami strip. Anytime I just, I just do it just to do it and just watch people go fucking crazy. Right. Right. I've never been this famous. Right. Right. Was it love and hip hop that did it? Love and hip hop helped you a lot? Love and hip hop. I mean, you gotta think like, if there's a household that has the mother and grandmother, that's love and hip hop and all the reality shows, marriage boot camp and next 15 and love goes. So I got that guy, I got the older women.

[01:17:23] Then if the who just got out, who's in his fifties, he remember me from made men. I was so old. He just got out of jail. Always on probation, on papers. Then I got the young, the YNs and the young girls. Cause Hey, that's Coyle Ray's death. Right. Right. You got the, I got everybody in the house right now. You know what I'm saying? When they see me, they light up. Right. They light the fuck up, man. It's a, it's a great feeling. Right. So I know with a fan base like that, it's just a matter of time to get, you know,

[01:17:52] to get that, to get that money flowing away. I think the workout thing would be good because, um, a lot of people work out and a lot of people be needing tips, pointers, especially nutrition, whatever supplements you're taking. Yeah. And I want to, I want to, I want to be able to do it. Cause you know, you know, people at 50 and over just give up. Right. I want to show them like, look, don't let these young niggas or anybody tell you it's over. Like, are you kidding me? Right. Like, no, no. So I got the lifestyle. I really want to, and not just that help a lot of these guys with how they dress, the cologne they wear. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:18:22] You know, how to, how to approach a woman. Right. The things to say, how, you know what I mean? Cause a lot of these guys lack that. Right. There's a major lacking in, in, in, in men because they didn't have no father really to show them how to do it. Right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Yo, me and my cousin that, um, that I, when you, when you did the video shoot in Bushwick that I came with my cousin, um, me and him, we from Brooklyn. We be on the phone now talking about cologne and shit. Yo, they just got that such and such, you know? Oh, bro. Now you be, you be surprised a lot of the motherfuckers don't, just don't know.

[01:18:51] Nah, we know the colognes, man. A lot of the motherfuckers just don't know. Yo, you got that Y by YSL? This is some real shit. You got that Y by YSL? Nah, nah. But, um, Hero by Burberry is ridiculous. I'm probably, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go check that. They got it in Macy's. Look, I walked, listen, I'm gonna tell you though, I was, I pulled over in my, in Miami at a rest stop and they got like, they got the, um, the, the cologne people. So I said, you know, it's the Arabs.

[01:19:21] They got the Arab name on it. You don't know. Right, right, right, right. I said, they want $60 for it. And I put that shit on that bitch smell just like Aventus. I bought the shit out of that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Y by Y. That shit smells so fucking good, yo. The Y by Y. I ain't paying $40, $50. I said, fuck it, let me get that, man. Ain't no one gonna know, man. It's just fucking fucking Aventus. Listen, the Y by YSL was in the movie theater and it was this, um, this big lesbian, like, stud.

[01:19:49] She was like, you smell good. What are you wearing? I'm like, yeah, you ready? I'm like, yo, you ready to? She was white. A white stud. A white one, too. Like a Roseanne Ball looking chick, respectfully. Wow. She was like, you smell good. I was like, yo, you ready to convert that Y by YSL, man. I'm telling you. That shit you're gonna get. Oh, yeah. You're gonna get all the compliments and stuff like that. But bro. Let me tell you something.

[01:20:16] That's a hell of a compliment when a stud give you a compliment. White one. I done got a couple of compliments from studs, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's a different compliment. Yeah. For real. A white one, too. A white one. With your social media, they keep taking you off Instagram, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you on, do we want to get on? I'm on now. Legend of Benzino. I got another one. OK. You know what I mean? I just, it just, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm on now? You know I be on Beagle. Oh, OK. What's your name on now? No.

[01:20:47] It's, um, I don't know. I don't even know how to look, but I'm not even making money on it. I just, I just, you, like I had 9,000 viewers on one live. I say, God damn. Right. Like, I mean, that should be lit. Right. And they don't show you as much. It's all right. You know what I mean? You know what, doggy? You know what, doggy? Let me be honest. Because of social media and how they keep talking, I'm at the point where I don't really, when I start my podcast and everything, I'm going to get new pages for that.

[01:21:15] But I don't even, as far as personal, it doesn't matter anymore. Right. Because, because what matters to me is when I'm out, is when I'm outside. Right. Right. Right. I swear to God, man. Right. I swear to God, man. The love is real when you touch the people. Yeah, man, man. Whoa, whoa. It is. Because the internet will trick you to think when you go outside, nobody like you. To when you go outside and you're like, where's, you never met a hater in your face.

[01:21:41] I've never, and this is true, and I go everywhere by myself or my girl. Right. I've never, ever, ever, ever had anybody say that thing to me, ever. Mm-hmm. Ever. Like, in these, I mean, I can't remember. Like, I've never been heckled. I mean, it's the fucking, I could be anywhere, man, bro, like anywhere, in Publix. In Publix, I just went to Publix, got me some vitamin water, some watermelon, and took three pictures. Mm-hmm.

[01:22:09] And the Jamaican lady at the, it's always the working class. Right. It's everybody. Right. Like, I'm telling you, I got the whole demographic of people, man, from nine to 99. Yeah. And it's just a good fucking feeling, dog. It is, man. So you got the workout thing. You got some Tubi movies out there. How could they find a Tubi movie? Just Google your name? Just, just, you know what? Yeah, Google Benzino, and it'll all come up. There's a bunch of them. You want a book, too. You want to give your book out or no? Or it's going to get too crazy? Huh? You want Facebook, too?

[01:22:37] You want to get that out or get too crazy? Yeah, yeah. It's, um, I think it's Raymond Scott or Benzino Scott. You Raymond Scott, yeah. No, you Raymond Scott. Raymond Scott. Raymond Scott, okay, yeah. I don't be, I got like this. I don't even, I know there's a lot of fake Benzinos, a lot of fake shits, but. No, this Raymond Scott is you. I don't know how to maneuver none of that shit. Like, I want to make my Facebook professional so I can have more than 5,000 friends, because I can only get 5,000 friends. Well, you got to create a fan page. Yeah, see, I don't, then there is a fan page, but I don't know how to get in it. No, but. I don't know what that got about, so I don't, you know, I.

[01:23:07] Yo, we, when you, when you come back in town, we gonna link up. All right, you know I know all this shit, bro. I'm just gonna sit down and be like, yo. I just post my shirtless pitch. Some of them, some of them get a million views, man. Right. And I know, you know what I mean? So I know when I, when, you know, I know when I do my podcast. But all of that could be monetized, though. People want, people want to hear what Benzino say. You know, it's a blessing. Right, right. Yeah, because lately I've been noticing you ain't been giving a fuck. Like, you've been more vocal. Why is that? I mean, it ain't necessarily giving a fuck.

[01:23:36] I'm just, I'm just answering what the fuck is out there on me. Oh, okay. Right, right. Yeah, I'm not, you know, and again, I'm never ever the one to be politically correct. Right, right. When it comes against me, I gotta, I gotta give it to you, no chaser. Right. You know what I mean? I can't, I can't play with my name. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. You know, now, if, if, if, like I said, the narratives, I understand if it's, you know, I don't worry about it. But when I get up on here and explain it, I'm gonna give it to you because motherfuckers don't give a fuck when they on here. I'm gonna say this to watch it out. Right. You know what I'm saying?

[01:24:06] I'm gonna say, and what I say just isn't, I'm not saying it out of no bullshit. Like, I'm gonna say it like how I feel, like whether it's, you know, I say some shit about Stephen A. Smith and how I feel about him. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be keeping niggas honest. Yo. Cause I got a lot of, I got a lot of wisdom. When I seen it though, I was like about time. Cause I've been, yo, I've been telling, yo, you, you got to, because a lot of people in

[01:24:32] this space and you just said something that's very, very important and the audience needs to know that. You've been there. You sat in these meetings, you broke a deals, you broke a situation, you know about sponsorships, you know about all of that. And that's a lot of things that people don't know. They think this shit is just cut and dry. You go on the booth and rap. This shit get crazy. They get very, very political. That's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And I'm proud of you, Doug. That's a lot. If I told you before, I've watched you, I've watched you grow. Yeah. And even, and there's an articulation that you, that you got down, Pat, where you,

[01:25:02] you know, there's an articulation of how you do this. Cause when you sit by yourself and you're doing these things, there's nobody in front of you. You're talking to the shit. So that's an arc in itself on how to articulate that and be interesting. Right. Being that people, you know. Cause some niggas you'd be like, shut up niggas. Yeah. Like niggas ramble on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You do it well. I haven't even mastered it yet. I got to be able to master it when you talk. Kind of. That's the spaces between your shit. You know. Right. Come again. You know what I'm saying?

[01:25:30] Like I'm, I've watched, I've watched Normie do it. I've watched Gilly. See, I've known all these niggas before they were podcasters. Right. Right. Right. You know, you know, Joe, Joe Buttons. You know what I'm all. Yeah. Yeah. I've watched all these niggas and they all salute to all of them, you know, to everybody. But I've watched, you know, they've, you know, there's a way to do it and I've watched everyone do it. So, you know, I got to get myself up there. Cause sometimes I get, I get so amped. You know what I'm saying? I can get amped up. But it'd be dope though, because that's you though.

[01:25:57] And the thing about even when I did the drink chance, when I had my episode, I called you. I'm like, yo, that's Benzino. That's my bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, because I'm not one thing about me. I'm not ashamed of you. No, I love you. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I love you to death. I'm not ashamed of you. That's real big as shit though. I'm not ashamed of you. There's too many niggas and not just niggas. It could be a family members that it's like, damn, if the internet don't like them, I can't like them either. Cause I'm scared of what the internet's going to think of me. Always say that's, that's, that's, that's my big bro.

[01:26:26] Like I don't know if fuck with none of y'all said you can't because, because when it come to a loyalty, again, and you disloyal in that street, you get your head knocked off. So this is how we grew up. We've been, we lived that more than we lived this. So how did this change you? Pat, how did you forget all that for this? Nah, that shit still apply. Because again, when we go outside, somebody will kick a bone out your ass if you play a certain way. So that's why a lot of dudes don't be outside. You be in States all over. You know what I'm saying?

[01:26:56] You understand even back then, back then when you, when people were outside the seventies, the eighties, there was no internet. There was a big part of the population that never came outside. Right. Right. It was inside. It's just as simple as that. You know what I'm saying? So now the internet gave them a world and I get it. Right. So now the niggas was outside. They have to adjust and adapt to learn this world. Right. Because it's not, it's not the same world. And when I, and when I was little, I always had guns and was wild and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like when you first met me, I was just wild.

[01:27:25] Wild little nigga. Yeah. Fucking shooting BBs at the fucking hotel window. Yeah. Like I was just wild. You know what I'm saying? I got it. It was wild. The little bastards was wild. It was coming from Brooklyn and it just was just, I was just like. LBs nigga. Yeah. Yup. You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace to have. So it was like, oh, and we gotta, if we could get the, get the crew together to talk about that sauce tour. Cause that's documentary worthy. We have. That'd be dope. Search. Yup. Rest in peace to biz. Yup. Shani. Yup.

[01:27:55] Shantae. Red Hot Lover. The A-Team. Buck Wilde. The producer. Buck Wilde. Lord Finesse. You know who we didn't talk about last night? Diamond D came on a couple of dates. Pharoah March. Pharoah March. Organized Confusion. Prince Poe. The Organized Noise. OC. No, OC. No, Organized Confusion. Organized Confusion. Organized Confusion. Yes. OC was there too. You knew that, right? Yeah. Yeah. OC was there. Cause remember they had the song. I met them. I met them. I was recording with Paul C. Right. Right. Right. So you had them.

[01:28:25] They from Queens. They from Queens. You had Power Rule was there. Power Rule. You had Cooley Live. He was from. Cooley Live. I forgot where he was from. Yeah. You know, I remember everybody. Hell. Yeah. And we had the almighty RSO crew. Yeah. Fly Tide was there sometimes. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Fly Tide, the CEO of Coach Chilling was there. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Even Chris Latimer.

[01:28:53] Remember he had the HBCU sweaters. Chris Latimer. Yes. He had the HBCU. He had those. He had the whole gear. And there was boxes of gear under the toilet. And somebody stole them. Remember somebody stole them? Somebody stole them. Yo, that's what I'm saying. The tour story that we had. I was 15 on it. Wow. Those, those, those, those. That's when Spike Lee was doing those college movies. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. So that shit was, that them cross, that shit was killing it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. Them, them, if you think about it, he was ahead of his time.

[01:29:23] Because those, those hoodies and sweatsuits could rock right now. Right. Right. I think he still got them because me and my cousin ran into him in LA. And I had reminded him like, yo, I remember you from the sauce tour. You know what I'm saying? Where was they from though? Because they had to come with y'all, right? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. Now I want to say Philly. Was Chris from Philly? I'm not sure. I think it was Philly. Right. Or DC. I'm not sure. Right. But he had all them sweaters. Or Baltimore. Somewhere like around there.

[01:29:54] Right. So yeah, Biz was the DJ. Rest in peace to Biz. Remember, Shantae would do Big Mama in some of them states. It would get crazy. They don't know about that diss record. Yeah, right. She was the headliner. She was the headliner. She was the headliner. She was the headliner. And thanks to her, we got to go. You know what I'm saying? That was my first. Roxanne Shantae. Yeah, Roxanne Shantae. Oh, and her sister. We got close, man. Every time we see each other, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's sis. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, and like I said, I was 15. I was the tour. I was her tour DJ in my group.

[01:30:24] You know what I'm saying? That shit's so dope, yo. Yeah, yeah. So we got to know. We got to put that together. Because Buck Wilde, like so many from that tour, bro. I think that's how OC met Lord Finesse and them and became DITC. Did you know that? Yeah, I knew that. From that tour. Yeah, from that tour. I sure did. So that brought the... And that was before he met, um, Polk. No, he knew Polk at the time. No, Polk was there. Polk was there. Because Polk was there. Polk is the one who drove me to North Carolina. That was the first stop. Was NC. I didn't know that. I was in the car with Polk. But it was four track masters back then.

[01:30:54] I didn't know that. It was Polk, Tone, Frank Nitty, and Al Richburg. It was four. Damn. Damn, damn doggy. Yeah, because that was around the time they still was doing Chubb Rock music. So that's how the A-team came. And you know one of the A-team is Hot Dog. It's Hot Dog. Yeah. And you know who Hot Dog was messing with back then? Hmm. Mona Scott. When you say messing with, was she was managing them? They was in a relationship, bro. Get the fuck out. I don't know.

[01:31:23] I'm telling you some hip-hop history. Yeah, Mona was his girl. Oh, shit. Mona. How old was Hot Dog? I don't know. I don't know. Hot diggity. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's, that was his, they was in a relationship, bro. That was his girl. Because Mona was our first, Mona me. That was, that was, you know, that was my camp. Mona. You didn't know that, dog? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't fucking know that. So I had tweeter. So when you see Mona loving hip-hop, you be like, wow.

[01:31:51] Yeah, she come from, she had a management company, always had a management company since back then. But she was dating Hot Dog back then. I didn't know that. That's, that's, I didn't know that. We definitely got to do a fucking thing. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it was, so much got birthed from that tour. That's what I'm saying is important. So much. Mona was his girl. That was 20, that was 20, almost 25 years ago. I mean, let me see, 1991. Yeah, yeah, I'm about to say that's over 25 years ago. That's almost, that's, yeah, that's was 35 years. Yeah, yeah, right.

[01:32:21] How many years is that? A lot. I don't even know. I don't feel like doing math right now. It's like 30 something years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fuck? Yeah, Mona Scott was his girl, bro. Mona Scott. Yup. Cause I, you know, I was always in the studio with that. We was their group. We was track masters group, but we had this situation with, with, um, Coach Hill and Living Large at the time. You know what I'm saying? And, um, it was a lot, a lot of people got birthed from that tour. A lot of relationships that never, that we still have to this day. Buck Wilde, OC, Lord Finesse.

[01:32:49] I went to DITC studio rocking with them. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot from that tour though. That's why I'm saying it's important. Yeah, Diamond D did a couple of dates. That's what I meant, Diamond. Yeah. Yup. They were from that tour. That's dope. But, um, all right, bro. Yo, you know, we could, we could talk all night. We do talk sometimes for hours and shit. Come on, man. Come on, doggy. But, um... You know, when you call me, I'm there, nigga. You let me know. I would let people know. This guy, I could call him first ring. This ain't... Yeah. We don't do industry stuff. Doggy Diamond. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[01:33:17] You knew me back when I was just G-Dawg back then. Yeah, I just was... What's up, doggy? Yeah, yeah. He was Ray-Dawg. You know what I'm saying? But, um, like I said, um, you know, anything you want, anything you need, anything just hit me. I'm always the phone call away. Because anytime I call you, you've always picked up. Back when you used to have to call my house phone. Because we knew each other before. Beepers. I was too little to have a beeper anyway. We used to call our house. You know what I'm saying? And they was like, uh, Ray-Dawg called for you.

[01:33:46] And I'm like, yo, I'm wherever you at. You come to Brooklyn? Like, I'm there. Yo, I... What's the photo shoot you did there? I'm trying to find a photo shoot for the source. Because that's my gun. I'm trying to think what photos... You remember the photo shoot? You needed a gun and a bullet. That was a long time ago. But you had, um, the chick that you had, which you became a big video vixen back then. I'm trying to think. We was in Bushwick, Brooklyn, bro. And you called me. And you was like, yo, I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go. And I called my cousin, Ted.

[01:34:15] I said, yo, we gotta go hold Ray down. He and BK. It was in Bushwick, Brooklyn. It wasn't Melissa Ford. It wasn't Melissa Ford. It was the one before. I'm gonna find her picture and send her to me. Find out, bro. Yeah, because she's the main girl in Rumpshaker video. One of the main girls in Rumpshaker video. That's where I remember her from. In Rumpshaker. She's one of the main girls. That's back when the girls was natural, though. So they, you know, they'll be lost in the sauce now. Yeah. There was so many, bro.

[01:34:44] I'm gonna find out, but that, them bullets. You have no clue, my nigga. Them bullets in that nine. See, people are just saying, like, I've dated so many celebrities, so many, and women, and actresses, and rappers. Like, they don't know what happened. When they see me on Love and Hip Hop, it was like, all right. But before Love and Hip Hop, man, listen, when the sauce was cracking, oh, yeah. Like, I can't even remember. Like, Jeff be having to remember me. Like, video girls, actresses, rappers. It was a long list. Speaking of which, wasn't Bambi your girl first?

[01:35:14] Nah, we dated. We dated, but nothing ever came of it. Because she really was into Scrappy. But, you know, we did the infamous Hot Tub thing. That's all I remember. Yeah, that's all I remember. All right. Yeah. So that's, well, I ain't gonna get you to blow that up. That was, Love and Hip Hop was, you know, like I said, Love and Hip Hop was okay. You know, because niggas be like, dang, boy, y'all be asking Bambis on. Before Love and Hip Hop, I'm telling you. Right, right, right, right.

[01:35:42] But you gotta understand, it was a different Benzino back then. Right. That was super millionaire Benzino. It was different. Right. But nah, we gonna do all we could, man, to get you back where you need to be. Just for peace, for the culture. You know what I'm saying? But, like I said, when you touch the town, make sure you hit me, because I'm gonna pull up on you and show you some shit on that computer. I'll bring my MacBook or whatever. Yeah, I need to see all that. I need to see all that. Yeah, because this shit easy, bro. Like, I mastered this shit.

[01:36:11] Because, yeah, because we need that out there, man. People love that shit, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This shit easy. Because people don't believe shit until you put they face in it. But that's why when people say that... Until you love they face in it. But this is what I'm saying. When people talk about you, I be like, damn, that nigga a gangster. Like, y'all in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I know, but see, I know how to turn it off too. Right, right. See, I don't gotta wear that shit. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. No, but I'm just talking about what people be playing with your name and your likeness and all that. I be like, y'all got him fucked up. That's not...

[01:36:40] He's not who you think he is. The internet, y'all perception is all wrong. Trust me. Nah, nah. Because I... The only reason why I'm saying it, I saw it with my own two eyes. This ain't speculation. I seen them get busy. You know what I'm saying? I seen them a thousand deep. You know what I'm saying? It was a regular thing. Yeah, it was regular. It wasn't even to brag about it. It's just how we grew up. Yeah, yep. All right, bro. I'm gonna let you go. As soon as you hit the town, call me and I'm gonna pull up on you. I will. Yep, later on. Love you, bro. I peace. I love you more, doggy. All right, later on.